The episode begins with a response to feedback that suggests I make the podcast and its marketing a little more polished, and then I go on to say a bit about how I understand what one actually does to "practice" NVC. The role play with Marilyn represents the two-step form of learning empathy that I value, and that I'm trying to figure out how to feature more often.  

Marilyn teaches NVC, and has three moms in her class who are at a loss as to how to communicate with their adolescents. Marilyn and I role play a conflict as a way to generate resources that might help her in her future role plays with the distraught moms.  

Jodie has a lot of passion for putting into practice some definite ideas about child rearing. But this has led to some friction with her husband, and she finds herself stuck when wanting to offer him empathy. We try to role play our way to some resources. Apologies for some echo in the audio.

In response to a divorce, Kate's piqued father cut her out of his life. Thirty years later, when she finally had a chance to talk to him on his deathbed, he had throat cancer and an unreconciled heart. We seek some daughterly peace for her through role play.